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Postaj by vladomado10 27.04.15 15:03

Meni je drago da vi znanje koristite ko uvredu, ne u smislu da znanjem vrijeđate već tvrdite, da je poznavanje nečeg i raspravljanje na višoj nekoj razini snobizam i podcjenjivanje ljudi. Oću se ja sramit šta vi ne znate za Todda Rexforda (primjer ne nužno istina) i ne spominjat ga, kao i sve noževe više klase, nove materijale bla blabla na forumu, jer je vama dovoljan CS.
To što vi navodite su argumenti uvredljivi za inteligenciju, sve šta ste vi rekli je da je CS najbolji nož jer je u svojoj klasi najbolji nož i svatko ga može priuštit, a svaka rasprava o nečemu boljem ide na to da je on dokazano najbolji a svi ostali su dokazano skupi, šta ti znaš šta meni treba, ti koristiš noževe za ukras i puvanje.

CSovi imaju super kočnicu, super kočnicu, al dizajn im je isti već 15 godina, pretpotopan, koriste puno plastike (i to ne moderne kao Spyderco!), imaju reklame na isti kalup, forsiraju tu želju za macho-bullshitom koji mi je neshvatljiv kao modernom čovjeku, i zapravo me vrijeđaju kao nekoga koji skuplja noževe, odvače od Triadlocka pričom kako će ostati fiksiran u prsima protivnika, forsiranjem borbe protiv provalnika, napadača, te stvaraju u nekim ljudima osjećaj lažne hrabrosti. Stvaraju osjećaj da su bitni ako imaju taj nož, da su jači od drugih ljudi, samo pametno plasirana reklama.
Da li sam ja bolja osoba ako imam ZT, da li sam faca, Na nožarskom Olimpu, whateva?
Pa, baš i ne imam samo zakon nož koji obožavam i to je to, dal je najbolja stvar na Zemlji, dal ću radit epski dvanaesterac o njemu, ne to je samo c00l nož, slično c00l kao i CS samo u drugoj kategoriji.

Ja ne mogu priuštiti custom Todda Rexforda, al dal ću ja tvrditi da je Spyderco Military bolji nož, jer ga 20000 ljudi svakodnevno koristi, te postoje recenzije velikog broja ljudi, za razliku od Rexforda kojeg se nitko ni ne usudi upotrijebit da ne izgubi na cijeni. Uvijek treba stremiti većoj razini inače ćemo uvijek ostati na istome.
@ Roy Ne govorim vam sta je bolje za vas nego vam govorim o ostalim mogućnostima koje trenutno postoje, kao i o svom gledištu prema bilo kojem proizvođaču, al da ću se ja sklanjat rec da ima boljih stvari od CS, nema šanse.

Jedini odgovor na pitanje šta je bolje je da vam netko ponudi neki ZT više klase ili CS u XHP, koji bi od ta dva odabrali, mislim da ne bi više od dvoje ljudi u Europi odabralo CS, jer onda ne bi razmišljali o testovima kočnice nego bi vam bija bitan nož ispred vas.

jimkukri je napisao/la:Jedan kolega je imao sig tipa prepucavanje na internetu je poput posebne olimpijade-i ako pobjedis opet si retardiran
Ja volim nozeve svih brendova i posebno cijenim fanboye i hejtere
Meni je žao što ovo nitko nije komentirao, jer je uvredljivo prema osobama sa smetnjama u razvoju, korištenje izraza retardirani, te vrijeđanje takvih osoba i njihovih aktivnosti je tužno.


Zadnja promjena: vladomado10; 27.04.15 16:25; ukupno mijenjano 4 put/a.

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Postaj by ivo 27.04.15 15:33

Fratt je napisao/la:Uopće neznam od kud početi čistiti ovu temu...ako netko ima kaj za napisati o sajmu u Gudovcu sad mu je najbolja prilika.
Tam sam videl Goxona Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 368870 ! Kao eksponat.
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Postaj by roy 27.04.15 16:17

@vladomado10
Ako pažljivije pročitate moje postove primjetiti ćete da niti jednom nisam spomenuo snobizam, a niti podcjenjivanje, iako se oni zaista daju isčitati iz postova nekih forumaša. Također se moji postovi nisu odnosilli na vas i vaše postove.

Moja poanta je cijelo vrijeme ta da nečije osobno iskustvo nije niti može biti apsolutno mjerilo za sve i svakoga.
Znam da sam već dosadan, ali nemaju svi iste potrebe i ne koriste svi noževe za iste stvari.
Tvrditi da se radi o neznanju zato što netko ima drugačije ukuse, potrebe i prioritete od naših govori samo o našem osobnom neznanju.

Nikada nisam rekao da je CS najbolji nož (o kojem god modelu se radilo), niti sam ikoga optuživao da koristi noževe za ukras ili puvanje. Molim vas da mi ne stavljate riječi u usta.

Što se tiče dizajna materijala itd., svako ima svoj ukus. Nekima je važniji dizajn, nekima materijali, nekima marka, nekima kočnica. Vama se CS ne sviđa, ali ima onih kojima se sviđa. Meni se osobno sviđaju neki modeli, neki ne. Kao i kod svake druge marke.

Što se tiče Olimpa, bila je to samo šala, i također se nije odnosila na vas.

Naravno, uvjek treba stremiti većoj razini, upravo mi zato nije jasno zašto toliko ljudi na to potpuno zaboravi kada se radi o kočnicama?

Odabrao bi ZT. Ponavljam, nikada nisam rekao da su CS najbolji noževi, to mi ne pada na pamet. Postovi koji su vas uznemirili nisu bili usmjereni na vas. Radi se o tome da jednostavno, barem po meni, nije u redu uzimati sebe i svoja iskustva kao jedinu ljestvicu vrijednosti, a sve ostalo otpisati kao neznanje. I ne, opet ne pričam o vama.

Nemojte mi nešto zamjeriti jer nije mi namjera da uvrijedim vas ili bilo koga drugog, samo želim ukazati na argumente koji su po mom mišljenju loši.

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Postaj by vladomado10 27.04.15 16:20

Ispričavam se što sam stavio kao da samo vama odgovaram, većinom je bio odgovor forumašu lawmanu , ispravit ću to sad, pardon, nisam vidio jer sam u prvoj verziji želio vama odgovoriti nešto za taj odgovor s Olimpom, pa promijenio u konačni post.

Ja volim framelockove, al nije to bitno, bitno je sto CS inzistira upravo samo na toj kočnici a a sve ostalo što znaju da nije u skladu s tom najboljom kočnicom se zanemaruje, zar nije bolje imat nož s linerlockom, odličnom geometrijom i pristojnim čelikom iza kojeg stoji super služba za korisnike, ne nužno skupljim od CSa, a bez sve negativne reklame koji sami stvaraju forsirajući ljude da ih hejtaju.
Primjer je forumaš Lawman sa svojim izjavama koje kao da su plaćene od strane tvrtke koju obožava, a sigurno ne idu u prilog ljudi kojima se sviđaju CSovi, jer ih ljudi svrstavaju u isti koš, kao ja vas u predhodnom postu.

Sviđa mi se tvrdnja forumaša Lawmana "Testirali smo konkurenciju do krajnjih granica i popustili su" (CS je najbolji!!!), a sada kad je bio razgovor o fiksnima potpuno defanzivan stvar: pa te CS fiksne su možda testirali CS do krajnjih granica pa su popustili, zapravo jer mrze CS, pa su dokazali da može puknut.
Logika kaže CS mrzi ostale foldere, pa ih uništava, a konkurencija im uzvraća s fiksima?
Rješenje, staviti Triadlock na fiksne CS noževe, pa će nastaviti rulati.
Argument razlike cijene između Tora i na primjer Trail mastera u SanMai verziji također ne smatram mjerodavnim, jer zapravo ne postoji. Oba noža su laminirani čelik, VG1 naspram VG10,prema cjeniku Maestracentra cijena je bila 3000 kuna za Trail Master, a Falk je bio oko 3800, tako da pliz argument cijene izbacite, CS nisu jeftini noževi ako ne uzimate osnovne kineske modele.
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Postaj by roy 27.04.15 17:05

Ne čudi me toliko što inzistiraju na njoj pošto imaju patent. To je jednostavno njihov konj za utrku.
Da bi im dobro došlo malo raznovrsnosti, svakako bi.
Meni osobno reklame ne znače puno, kao ni dizanje u nebesa od strane obožavatelja. Bitno mi je jedino da li proizvod zadovoljava uvjete za zadaću koju ću mu namijeniti.

Što se tiče fiksnih CS-ova, tu mi osobno ima puno manje zanimljivih modela. Dobrim djelom zbog načina na koji se tang "spaja" na oštricu. Nikada mi nije bilo jasno čemu pravi kutevi umjesto zaobljenja, pogotovo na večim noževima poput Trail Master-a. Pretpostavljam da tako proizvodnja ispadne nešto jeftinija, ali s obzirom na cijenu za koju ih prodaju mogli bi to malo zaobliti i time ojačati nož. Možda je to cjepidlačenje, ali nikako ne mogu preći preko toga, i to je glavni razlog zašto nikada nisam ni pomišljao na Trailmastera ili Recon Scouta kada sam tražio nož večih dimenzija.

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Postaj by Mraz 27.04.15 17:13

Upravo to je jedan od detalja koji me uvijek odbijao od fiksnih CS noževa. Jednog sam slomio, ne čak ni nekom mukom, no hajd... svakog bih slomio da se dovoljno potrudim.

EDIT: Lažem. Uz pomoć Ikarusa i Targeta (možda i još koga) sam u par navrata pokušao zlostavljanjem uništiti jedan od noževa koji sam sam izradio i nisam uspio. Dakle, nož od žnj čelika napravljen od strane amatera je izdržao/izdržava stvari na kojima sam slomio par noževa poznatijih firmi.



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Postaj by vladomado10 27.04.15 17:25

Mraz kad je čelik bio osovina od mečke Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 747986, nema šanse da se razbije Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 368870 Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 368870 Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 368870.
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Postaj by jimkukri 27.04.15 19:58

Evo kog zanima govor precjednika CS o nedavnim testiranjima koja su digla tolku prasinu i zabavnu raspru na forumu...

Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 Putting-it-to-the-test
Over the last month, we've released several testing videos featuring direct side-by-side comparison testing of our folding knives against our competitor's offerings.
It's caused a lot of buzz, and as I'm writing this we've seen over 100,000 views on Youtube and Facebook combined.
As I read the comments and feedback from the knife community, I'm fascinated by how shocked and surprised many people are by the results of these tests.
You see, I've been doing these tests for over 35 years...

"Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing."
- Theodore Roosevelt

When I first decided to explore designing, making and then mass-manufacturing my own designs my motivation came from a genuine desire to do better. I am a lifelong knife user, hunter and Martial Artist. I'd already been using knives for decades - and what I'd discovered through my own research made me mad!
I had spent my hard-earned cash on knives that had failed catastrophically, and I was determined to make something better!

Birth of Proof

My early designs were subjected to the most brutal tests that I could devise. I drew inspiration from the classic feats performed by Samurai that I read about in my Martial Arts research, and then combined those tests with some of the awesome things I'd seen being performed by the American Bladesmith's Society. I took small factory made fixed blades and tried to make them perform to the same levels as high end custom knives and swords.
Well, the rest was history, and PROOF was born!

As a Martial Artist I saw no higher standard than that of a fighting knife. A blade that could withstand the rigors of combat in the worst possible situations was (for me) the pinnacle of the bladesmiths art.
I wanted to make knives you could bet your life on!

My first customers were Military, Special Operations guys and Martial Artists. They understood the need for a blade that was both a weapon and a tool. A life-saving blade that could be relied upon to be there for them when things went bad.
They shared my belief that if you are down to a knife to save you, then you are in truly dire straits! You cannot accept second best in those situations. You cannot rely on hope. To paraphrase Lt. Col. Dave Grossman "Hope is not a strategy!"

I began training with the legendary Guro Dan Inosanto, and my blade knowledge went to a whole new level!
We were teaching knife fighting techniques way back in the mid 80's, while my competitors talked about "art knives" and criticized us as "too aggressive".
I can remember working with some of our nation's warriors at the Soldier of Fortune convention back in 1983.
The amazing actor Robert Duvall made an appearance and we talked sharp stuff for a while.

A few years passed and I began exploring the idea of Cold Steel folding knives with increasing fascination.
I saw real potential there. An easily carried and concealed knife that's always at-hand is only a good thing. But many people forget that by the simple act of folding these knives become far, far more dangerous!
Once you add a hinge to a razor sharp object - look out!

Back in the day a folder was mainly a small pocket knife for simple and easy cutting tasks.
There were exceptions (like my beloved Navajas!) but for the most part here in the USA, a folding knife was a handy little tool for easy daily tasks.
Tactically minded individuals, or people who may have required a knife for self-defense tended to carry a boot knife, neck knife or a fixed blade concealed in their waistband.
As the political climate changed and it became less "PC" to carry a knife in "polite society", more and more people began looking to the folding knife as more than just a light cutting tool. It became a last ditch self-defense tool in the minds of more and more people - and as such, the idea of the modern "tactical folder" was born.

People forget that Cold Steel really were breaking new ground back then. We were at the tip of the spear in this fledgling (and at the time highly controversial) "tactical" evolution. We took the criticism and the heat, and endured the hate from my rivals who saw us as "bad guys" for developing tools for protection and defense.
How ironic it is, that only a few short years later, every one of them was offering "tactical" blades of their own.

Well, what is "tactical"?
Well, as a Martial Artist I was taught that "Tactics" was the science of gaining an advantage to achieve success.
"Tactical", for me, meant gaining the edge - and when it came to fighting with a knife that folds, that was a scary proposition!
Like I said before, if you are down to a knife to defend yourself, then you are already in trouble. If you are then limited to a small blade, that needs to be opened to become effective, and then furthermore REMAIN OPEN under the horrendous rigors of combat - then you are in just about the worst situation I can imagine!

I wanted to make a folding knife that could live up to those exacting situations and huge demands. The stress, shock and sheer physical demands of combat were the benchmark. The standard to which everything I made was held. So, for me, the idea of a "tactical" folding knife has always been irreversibly connected to strength.

"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
- Vince Lombardi


Back in the 1980's, I released a range of folders that I named the Shinobu series. With high-performance Japanese San Mai III steel blades, deeply checkered space-age polymer handles, and a pioneering lock-back design that could hold an unprecedented 90lb of weight, the large Shinobu was (in my opinion) one of, if not the first real modern tactical folding knives.

The only other knife maker that I remember exploring tactical applications at that time was Al Mar with his SERE folder. Boy, that was a big knife!

I held true to the belief that a sharp folding knife should also be strong. To make a wickedly sharp blade and then equip it with a flimsy and dangerous lock seemed grossly negligent to me. And while the knife industry had no set standardized regulations for strength, I took it as my personal mission to preach a message of safety and to try and set that bar as high as possible!

My PROOF series began to include more and more extreme and dangerous lock strength tests for folding knives. I subjected them to the most brutal tests I could imagine, and in doing so I risked my fingers with every new feat. But, that's how much faith I had in my products!

Our industry has always been very competitive, and I've always found that competition to be both motivating and inspiring. As my peers finally began to strive harder to make stronger locks, I pushed my own research and development even further. I never stopped testing. Whether it was my own designs, or knives developed by my competitors, I was always quick to put the product to the test and see how it held up!

Old School Voyager
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Cold Steel's R&D facility was filled with broken knives. Prototypes, production samples and blades from all over the world were tested and broken. I invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in research, always looking for the next big innovation.
In the mid-nineties I could proudly claim that my Voyager series could outperform any of my competitor's offerings. In magazine adverts at the time, Cold Steel's Extra Large Tanto was shown easily holding 392 times its own weight!
A few years later, I had the great fortune of connecting with a talented young custom knife-maker with some big ideas. Andrew Demko was not only a highly accomplished Martial Artist who shared my love of the combative arts, but he was also an incredibly gifted designer with a very analytical engineering mind!
His Tri-Ad locking mechanism changed the game. It marked a new evolution in the world of tactical folding knives that has yet to be equaled.
Not only did the Tri-Ad lock hold huge weights, but it also almost completely negated the effects of shock! This allowed a folding knife to be used for actual "tactical" applications like never before.

This new innovation in lock strength opened my eyes to so many new possibilities!
I was now able to explore real hard-use mega-folders (like my range of "pocket swords" the Espada series) and Martial Arts techniques that I had been studying for years with Bowie Knives and other large fixed blades now became possible for the first time with a folding knife!

You can't pick up your pay check with no fingers!


The most persistent comments from naysayers are "well, I'm never going to hang weight off my knife" or "I'll never hit anything with the back of my knife"
In many ways I agree with you. In an ideal world none of these things would ever happen.
But - we don't live in an ideal world!
As long as bad things happen to good people I will continue to say "what if"...

Over the years I've spent testing blades I've seen folding knives fail in the most crazy, unpredictable and catastrophic ways. I've also seen some of the most imaginative, ingenious (and abusive!) uses for a folding knife in perilous situations.
When all you have is a folding knife to get you out of trouble, you'll find things get pretty creative!

I have spoken to Law Enforcement professionals and Military personnel who've used our folding knives to cut open car doors, pry open emergency exits and even stab through body armor. I've talked to guys who've stuck one of my folders in a tree and used it as an improvised platform!
During my own extensive field testing in Africa over the years I've seen native hunters and outdoorsmen push the limits of their one multi-purpose knife that would boggle your mind - and with good reason. It's the only tool they had!

I sincerely wish everyone a fulfilling life full of security and safety, but if things go bad and you need to rely on a folding knife to keep you and your loved ones from harm - I hope it's up to the task!

I believe that anything in this world can be destroyed by a man with enough time, desperation or determination. Nothing is indestructible, but I'm determined to increase that margin of safety at every opportunity.

There is no time in life where your fingers somehow become less precious!


Whatever the circumstances or conditions, at no point are your digits somehow devalued or worth less!
Whether peeling an apple or fighting for your life, it's all the same!

For Doctors, Musicians, Artists, Mechanics and every profession you can imagine, those fingers are your livelihood!
I know that without my trigger finger, I'd be truly miserable!

Try taping up your index finger for a day, and see just how inconvenient life can be.
Now imagine that you lost the use of that finger at the worst possible time, when you are in trouble and all you've got is a knife to help you out.

When it comes to a strong, reliable, safe, dependable lock - I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it!

"Opinions are opinions, but performance is a fact"
- Andrew Demko


Andrew Demko and I both share a fascination with testing. We believe that it's through testing that great things happen.
By adding pressure, we evolve and we adapt.
For me, it's always been a very exciting and educational process, and I know that Andrew and the rest of my R&D team share that thirst for knowledge and self-improvement that keeps us motivated and inspired.

I have cancelled entire projects after years of development (and tens of thousands of dollars!) because they just weren't strong enough.
I'm not afraid to go back to the drawing board and re-think a design because the best that was achievable was "average".
Average doesn't interest me. I want to be the best.
Andrew also shares these sentiments, and it is that perfectionism that makes him such a valuable asset to my company and an exciting collaborative partner on our designs.

Since day one we have not only released footage of our testing to the public, but recreated those feats at live shows and events.
Back in 2009, we hung weights from our Espada at the SHOT Show for all to see. Mere feet from Blade Magazine's booth! Over 30, 000 people passed by our booth that weekend and saw that knife hold world-record weights - and yet the magazines never covered that story. I wonder why?

We've always been very open about what our products can do. But our competitors have been conspicuous in their absence. Where are their tests?
Until now, we've never shown the flip side of that coin - but that's going to change!

After 35 years, I've finally decided to release some of our internal testing videos, and to undergo new tests with my competitor's latest offerings to show the public just how well they hold up!

I've always enjoyed America's great tradition of comparative advertising. I still fondly remember the "Pepsi Challenge" and the great shake up it caused in the beverage industry. Today, it's almost impossible to turn on your TV or listen to the radio without encountering comparative advertisements.

Public reviews (particularly on YouTube) have increased not only public interest in these side-by-side comparisons, but also public knowledge and education about materials, technologies and manufacturing processes.
Our fans and our customers are smarter and better informed than ever before, and we as an industry must acknowledge that.
Other brands can no longer make unsubstantiated claims without backing up their brag!

I truly believe that these tests are of HUGE benefit to the end user. Who doesn't want to be safer?
I also believe they are important from a consumer standpoint. People want to know exactly what they are paying for.
I also feel that the public release of these tests will be of great benefit to the industry as a whole.
Hopefully I will be able to raise the bar for quality and performance in a tool that is intended for life saving use!

I've done everything I can to make these tests as fair and unbiased as possible.
As I said before, there are no standardized tests for strength in this industry, so I've chosen to subject these knives to what I personally have set as the minimal acceptable standard testing for Cold Steel folders.
Spyderco's Tatanka held up very well under hard use. Their Power Lock proved to be a well-engineered and tough competitor, though it failed to match up to one of our XL Voyagers at less than a third of the price of the Tatanka, and over 20% lighter.
The Wildsteer (with three locks!) also proved to be very tough, though a little unwieldy for me, and it to failed when pitted against our Espada.
Zero Tolerance's ZT0350 proved to be a huge disappointment to me, as it failed catastrophically under hand pressure alone!

Over the coming weeks I'll be releasing more of our findings and test results, and I'm as excited as our customers to see just how well my knives hold up.
Maybe one of my competitors will beat us? It'll be fun to find out!
As always, I'll equate this to my training as a fighter. I train with some of the best in the world, so don't you think I've been knocked down before? I'm a better fighter because of those beatings! Each bruise is a lesson well learned.
If a competitor's knife out-performs mine I will acknowledge that, go back to the drawing board and then come back stronger.
After all, competition is nothing to be feared as long as you are willing to evolve!

Thanks
Where the metal meets the meat

Lynn C Thompson

President
Cold Steel, Inc.
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Postaj by Lawman 27.04.15 19:59

Hm, ovako...

....testiranje CS noževa je bilo i išlo za tim da dokaže jačinu kočnice. To je kao šport, primjerice nogomet. Bitno je tko zabije više golova. Može neka druga, gubitnička momčad biti ljepša, mlađa, zgodnije, skuplja, više tehnički potkovanija i tome slično, al' je bitno to, samo da se, golovi broje. A CS je u ovom testiranju pobijedio. I to je to.
I stoga velim da je CS, ono, znate već što o njemu mislim....

Neki drugi šport ili neka druga disciplina, npr. izbor ljepote, možda CS ne bi pobijedio, al' bi se junački držao.

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Fala na tekstu(mada sam ga je već linkao), sada će svi vidjeti što The Gazda misli o svemu.
Posebno je zanimljivo njegovo razmišljanje o konukrenciji pri kraju teksta.
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Postaj by vladomado10 27.04.15 20:38

Svaka čast na volji za branjenjem CSovih nedostaka, i upornim isticanjem samo njegovih vrlina: Lawman i Jimkukri, dobit ćete od mene po jedan ZT 0350 kad dođem u ZG nakon ljetne sezone, mislim ako ih želite, doduše nisu CS.
Slobodno me podsjetite ako zaboravim.
S tim da se jimkukri odmah ispriča za onaj komentar o ljudima s posebnim potrebama.

I to je zapravo to, što reći izdržali su ko snaga njihove kočnice.
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Postaj by Lawman 27.04.15 20:42

@vladomado10

Nemrem govoriti u Jimovo ime, al' meni ne trebaju tuđi darovi. Nepotkupljiv sam.

Ak' baš želiš darivati nekoga, imaš za to prilike svaki dan u svojoj okolini.
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Postaj by jimkukri 27.04.15 21:29

vlado chill out man
nemam nis protiv tebe i tvojih nozarskih afiniteta...svi smo malo drugciji al svi smo nozoljupci
kaj se tice poklona fala al imam 0350 Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 990630
a komentar je sig kolege i treba se satiricno, ako hoces crnohumorski shvatiti
cilj komentara je bio reci da mi se neda bezveze prepucavat ko djete na forumu i da to ne preporucam drugima
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vladomado10 jeli moze meni jedan ZT 0350? Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 368870 Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 990630
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Postaj by Franco G 27.04.15 23:32

NAVIGATOR je napisao/la:Gospon Franco.
Nisam se ja najlutio zbog vašeg komentara "Pubertetlije" kojime sam i osobno počastio sudionike ove teme. U tom komentaru nem ništa zlo, samo iskazuje neiskustvo i nemogućnosti procjene činjenica koje su stvarno bitne. U ovome slučaju za noževe.

Ono što me je naljutilo je to što ste moju višegodišnju upotrebu i trud uložen u fotografiranje  na terenu a potom u pisanje stranica i stranica elaboriranog teksta potkrijepljenog fotografijama ovdje na forumu izjednačili dapače još i ponizili Lawmanovom zahebancija tekstu kojemu je očito cilj malo oživjeti forum pa makar i žutim temama nožarstva.

Da je to stiglo od nekog "pubertetlije" ne bi se ja time zamarao ali od vas učenjaka koji siguran sam dobro vagne što će nakucati.
Da se razumijemo nisam se ja ozbiljno do smrti naljutio na vas ali riječi iz vaših usta, pera ipak za mene imaju značajnu težinu.

Nemam ja ništa protiv učenih ljudi, i sam sebe smatram učenim. Neki svoj nauk stjeću diplomama kroz institucije, pa i čitanjem stranih foruma, dok drugi znaje i iskustvo u praksi stjeću na terenu.

Baš bi vama kao učenjaku verziranom u temama o noževima trebalo biti jasno zašto sam kod Tora naglasak pri upotrebi dao na rezanje kobasa i izradu čačkalica i slično. Pa svakom je balavanderu jasno već na pogled da će taj nož biti odličan čoper. Ono što me je kod Tora fasciniralo da za razliku do većine pajsera koji se nude u tim gabaritima da je njime jednako lako raditi i filigranske zadatke poput izrade izrade čačlkalice ili tanko rezanje kobasa itd.

No da je u mojim osvrtima falilo i ozbiljnijih rezačkih zadaća namijenjenih Toru to se ne slažem.




Kada bi Lawman i ostali ljubitelji CS-a ovdje na forumu postali koju fotografiju slične upotrebe svojih uber noževa onda bi i njihove izjave "naš predsjednik Linn T., CS je skroz OK, Protivnici leže na podu, a CS kolosalno pobjednički maršira dalje…." i slične zvučale bi barem nekima uvjerljivo.

Ne sjećam se da sam igdje vidio ili čuo da je Tor nekome zakazao, a kako sam već naveo CS noževi su mi pucali itekako kao i nekolicini ovdje na forumu.

Navi, ja se ispričavam, nije mi namjera bila podcijeniti ili omalovažiti tvoj trud - nitko nije postao tako puno izvrsnih fotografija kao ti - za to ti trebamo biti zahvalni.

Osobno sam uglavnom prestao postati slike ili pisati o noževima na ovom forumu nakon što se digla halabuka protiv onih koji pišu i slikaju noževe. Kulminiralo je kad je jedna od legendi ovog foruma, mislim da je to bio Fratt ili Mraz, napisao da jednostavno odemo i osnujemo novi forum. Dobro, nisam otišao već sam više listao inozemne forume a ovaj uglavnom pratio.

Još par komentara kao prilog diskusiji:

1. na internetu ćete naći podosta slika polomljenih fiksnih noževa glasovitih marki. Naći ćete, primjerice, polomljene fiksne noževe Chris Reeve-a u S30V čeliku (green berett ili slično), pa "glasoviti" Spydercov dugo razvijani model bushcraft noža (u suradnji s UK bushcrafterima) koji se raspao (i sječivo i drška). Jedan je poznati knife maker (Mike Stewart?) napisao da se SVAKI nož može slomiti.

2. ako čovjek traži (skuplji) nož izuzetnog čelika i kvalitete tada su u konkurenciji svakako Busse s INFI čelikom i Fehrman s CPM 3V. Ne spominjem izrazito custom noževe koji su ekstremno skupi.
Kada Mraz piše
"Uz pomoć Ikarusa i Targeta (možda i još koga) sam u par navrata pokušao zlostavljanjem uništiti jedan od noževa koji sam sam izradio i nisam uspio. Dakle, nož od žnj čelika napravljen od strane amatera je izdržao/izdržava stvari na kojima sam slomio par noževa poznatijih firmi. "
onda je to velika iako trivijalna istina: noževi od fleksibilnih čelika (ističe se S7) se praktički ne mogu slomiti ali oštrice drže vrlo kratko i nisu usporedivi s "normalnim" čelicima.

3. Na Fallkniven forumu ima bezbroj revijalnih prikaza i vrlo temeljitih isprobavanja noževa u ozbiljnim uvjetima. Najizdržljiviji im je nož A-1, ali Thor sigurno nije daleko od toga. Osobno prije kupnje nekog noža, pogotovo skupog, nastojim pročitati sve raspoloživo štivo. Primjerice, kad sam dobio ideju da nabavim Sebenzu, pročitao sam jedno ljeto (s guštom) sve diskusije na Blade forumu i na Knife forumu. NITI JEDAN  report za lock failure!!! Poput Cezara, kocka je tada bačena.  

4. Iako mi je BM Contego sadašnji najdraži heavy duty folder (s vjerojatno najjačom kočnicom koju imam) kad sam razmišljao o putu u Brazil (imam otvoren poziv da dođem na sveučilište 6 ili 12 mjeseci) i ideji da malo pronjuškam Amazon jungle, tada je najbolji kandidat za folder bila naravno velika Sebenza u S35VN koja, iako kočnica nije jaka kao kod axis ili Tri-Ad, ipak je, daleko pouzdanija.
Za fiksni nož sam planirao Falkov A-1 kojeg mi je customizirao Denis Budak (ugrađen gard, obloge ručke G-10 - gard stoga što u tom ambijentu vlaga, blato, mulj, čine ručku skliskom). Ovim hoću reći da, ovisno o namjeni, svatko treba birati optimalni nož (funkcionalno i financijski).

5. Moje iskustvo s CS fiksnim noževima: imao sam izvrsni Recon Scout u Carbon V čeliku - prodao sam da bih kupio Fehrmana. Nedavno sam nabavio malo korišteni SRK u Carbon V (jedan od najboljih CS ikada). Imam i dva jeftina G.I. tanto koji su se pokazali puno korisniji nego što sam mislio. Naravno, i nezaobilazni Bushman.

6. Nedavno nabavljeni War Dog u INFI čeliku (specijalni Busse-run za Scrap Yard) mi je, tako mi se čini, danas moj najbolji fiksni nož! Unatoč debljini od 1/4incha nevjerojatni je slicer. Moraš, Navi, to isprobati i usporediti s Thorom!
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.220 incha je bio WarDog dok je bio kod mene gospon Franco valjda se nije zdebljao Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 747986, doduše za njih postoje dosta neslagajući podatci o debljini, nalazio sam podatke od 0.215-0.235 incha, al mislim da je to fat verzija, za crne su govorili da je 0.215, a tan 0.220-0.230.
Svakako fenomenalan nož, zaboravio sam zašto sam ga prodao uopće, ah da ne skupljam fiksne Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 469245.
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Postaj by Franco G 28.04.15 0:25

vladomado10 je napisao/la:.220 incha je bio WarDog dok je bio kod mene gospon Franco valjda se nije zdebljao Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 747986, doduše za njih postoje dosta neslagajući podatci o debljini, nalazio sam podatke od 0.215-0.235 incha, al mislim da je to fat verzija, za crne su govorili da je 0.215, a tan 0.220-0.230.
Svakako fenomenalan nož, zaboravio sam zašto sam ga prodao uopće, ah da ne skupljam fiksne Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 469245.

Vladomado, uz podatke koje navodite, nalazio sam i podatke od .25", primjerice ovaj na e-Bayu:



Sycko War Dog .25"

Upravo sam mjerio s noniusom (caliper): ne znam koliko je precizan no izlazi mi oko 6-6.2mm. Odgovaralo bi .237" ili .24". Sigurno ne manje od 6mm. Za probu sam mjerio Fallkniven A-1. Izlazi 6mm, instrument je približno točan.
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Postaj by vladomado10 28.04.15 0:28

Malo sam počeo proučavati sad, pronašao sam i 0.27 verziju, al konačan trag je na Scrapyardovom forumu u njihovoj listi noževa, gdje se navodi 0.235 što bi odgovaralo tom vašem mjerenju.
http://forums.scrapyardknives.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/731622/SCRAPYARD_KNIFE_SPECS.html
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Postaj by Franco G 28.04.15 1:20

vladomado10 je napisao/la:Malo sam počeo proučavati sad, pronašao sam i 0.27 verziju, al konačan trag je na Scrapyardovom forumu u njihovoj listi noževa, gdje se navodi 0.235 što bi odgovaralo tom vašem mjerenju.
http://forums.scrapyardknives.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/731622/SCRAPYARD_KNIFE_SPECS.html

Točno. To je i rezultat koji ja dobivam: .235" = 6mm.  Dakle,

Wardog
Blade Length: 5
Blade thickness: .235
Blade height: 1
Overall Length: 9.75
Blade Grind: Full Flat
Steel type: INFI
Handle type: Wardog Type Black or Tan Res-c
Finish: Satin
Weight: 6.2oz
Issue Price: $179.95
Issue date: May 28 2011
Issue Price: $179.95
Issue date: May 2011

No ostalo što sam rekao osim debljine - iza toga stojim.
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Umjesto šminkerskih i mankenskih noževa za pokazivanje, evo još jedan video u stilu našeg Cold Steel, ovog puta je opet CRKT bio mušterija. Izgleda da mu prvog puta, nije bilo dosta.
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Kako na kraju videa, veli Demko, pobjednik Cold Steel Recon 1.
Konkurent se držao nešto bolje od od svojeg kolege, al' opet nije baš mogao puno učiniti kontra nepobjedivog Cold Steel.

Uživajte u priloženom videu.
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Zadnja promjena: Lawman; 30.04.15 19:55; ukupno mijenjano 1 put.
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Postaj by Mraz 01.05.15 11:51

Kako slajser ne može biti dobar za batoniranje tako ni naoštreni pajser ne može biti dobar za rezanje. To nije moje mišljenje, to je fizika.

Jednostavan test. Uzmi komad tvrdog drveta (ja sam koristio oras, prikladno nije li?) i zareži koliko možeš sa par noževa.

Rezovi su po redu:
1. Kostolomac (ja radio) - 5mm, flat sa sekundarnim konveksom
2. Benchmade Contego - 4mm, flat sa sekundarcem od 20* po strani
3. Opinel No.12 - 2.5mm, flat tj. vrlo blagi konveks sa 20* po strani
Svi noževi su "hair poping" oštri.

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Ja sam se spremat okladit da klješta za čišćenje orasa (20ak kn) odrade bolji posao nego bilo koji nož, pa i CS.
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Postaj by Šimun 01.05.15 12:04

Evo da se i ja javim na ovu temu. Pred neki dan kolega sa foruma slučajno naletio na jednoj grupi na fejsu gdje je prodaja da tip prodaje SRK-a za 250kn. Mada se radi o Japanskom AUS8 (a ne o carbonV Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 690498 Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 690498
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Hmmm moj "Lone star hunter" je i slajser i ima tri ad lock Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 69343 Sto se tice aus 8,nije vrh vrhova,ali mnogi kriticari kad prodaju isti taj aus8 ili cak aus 6 naglasavaju -Japanski Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 69343

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Postaj by Franco G 03.05.15 16:08

SAL GLESSER o kočnici na folderu Military



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Any lock can fail. If you didn't hear it. Any lock can fail. (Sal Glesser)



Niže navodim tekst Sala Glessera  o Spydercovoj legendi Military vezano uz kočnicu. Tekst jasno pokazuje da za biti kompetentan i nešto tvrditi nije dovoljno samo nečije iskustvu u rezanju kobasica ili guljenju drva (koliko god je to neophodno) već da su i iskustva koja možeš stići SAMO čitanjem iskusnih knife makera neophodna za kompetentno mišljenje.

Sal Glesser on Military

Good points and good discussion.

I think that it is important to "peel the onion" in making these determinations. Also one must include "time" and refinement" in analysis.

Any lock can fail. If you didn't hear it. Any lock can fail.

Locks are bits of metal cut to very close tolerances and carefully balanced heat treats. The interface area is ciritical.

Failure can occur from error, out of spec, wear (time), dirt affecting the interface, excess force, which bends or coins the interface, etc.

Locks require maintenance, attention, occasional light spine tap to check. In case you didn't hear that, light is the key word. I see many locks that have seen "death by spine-wack". Expectations are often too high in this area, in my opinion. If a light tap defeats the lock, then inspection, cleaning, etc can save the lock. Each time it defeats, it "breaks" a tiny bit more. Continual spine whacking without making a change and expecting a change is not logical. It also ruins the lock.

With that in mind.

Each lock mechanism has advantages and disadvantages. Manufactures continually refine to reduce disadvantages. Eg: We're on our 3rd lock material on our Military in 10 years. As manufacturers learn more, they improve. (time again).

The Walker linerlock has some very nice advantages; easy one hand open and close, smooth action, easy to overcome closing force for easy opening, takes up little space affording far more flexibility in design. Simplicity of concept.

disadvantages; it's difficult to make reliablle. Much attention needs to be paid to the materials and hardness of the blade material (tang) and lock interface. (This is also true of lock-backs, Axis-locks, compression-locks, E-Locks, Reeve-Integral-Locks, ball-bearing-locks, etc).

On the Military we've contually refined this area. We use an offset concave arc ramp for greater reliability. We precisely control angles and hardness of the interface materials. We've gone to dual nested liners (very close tolerance) with focus on greater ridgidity. We could go to a LAWKS like CRKT and we' ve considered it, but at this time, we would prefer to evolve the Walker Linerlock to improve reliability without the addtional parts.

Does this make it perfect? Of course not. Any lock can fail.

But with the constantly improved materials, tolerances, hardness balance, they get better and better.

This is, IMO, true of any lock.

sal

Gene - Thank you. The Military Model was designed to be the "state of the art" Produc tion folder of the time. We believe the 2nd generation version is that. Every one of the many parts in this model was examined and refined. We listen to all of the comments (good and some negative), but our own constant testing enforces our beliefs. We believe that nested liners are more evolved and stronger than separate liners. And more expensive to produce. (Ask for favorite custom maker how much more they will charge you to nest their "full liner" just inside the scale like Spyderco's Military). "Form", in addition to the "pins" create rigidity. It may be possible to "white knuckle" a lock release, but this hasn't happened to our knowledge. Being able to easily close the knife after hard user with gloves on was a major consideration. Any of you that have had a folder lock open and not be able to close it? It's like a chain saw that won't stop...what do you do with it? The new "SecurLok" that Frank Centofante invented is scheduled to be added to the Military Model somethime in '99. This would eliminate the fear of accidental lock release.

The Military Model was not designed as a fighting knife, nor was it designed for suit and tie carry. It was designed to be the most dependable cutting tool accessory a soldier might need while in the "bush". The handle is a little larger to afford the dual grip potential. Design is always a great discussion because there are so many points of view. eg: blades are for cutting, handles are for holding. A 2" blade specifically designed for controlled cutting loses it's ability to control if the handle is only just long enough to cover the blade. Nothing to purchase on. A scalpel is a good example of this. What is the knife designed to do. Look at? by all means, balance the sizes to apperarance, use? tougher problem here. Just one designers point of view. I have avoided responding to this thread as it was my design in question and this was a comparision type question. It would be expected that I would be biased.
sal

Design preferences make the industry interesting. Both Gayle and Ed are of the opinion that the relief is not as safe as no relief. Both are highly skilled at designing knives, making knives and cutting with them. Both are champion cutters in competition. My linerlock designs include a relief. I'm often wearing gloves and I prefer them in general. I've heard many complain about my Military and Sage linerlock designs because they feel the relief is unsafe.

Both approaches are valid. That's why we make both. For those that want a relief, it's easier to create one.

sal

Perhaps "Practice" and "theory" are two legs on the same body, taking turns to move forward.?

Some thoughts to share on the linerlock lock up. Linerlocks are very tricky with the angles of the mating of the tang/lock as well as the hardness of each surface and inheirant qualities of the materials. It is difficult if not impossible to create the right combination that will "lock" properly with light effort and still work well with heavy effort. When one "throws" out the blade using inertia, the force at contact is very great. More oftren than not, such force will push the liner farther over or "tighter" than the light aforementioned pressure was designed for. I would guess that in such a lock up case, the blade was snapped out using inertia and the liner simply locked up too tight to easily unlock. We also found that titanium was a little "grabbier" and "bendier" than steel and even magnified the problem more. I believe that most linerlocks that are opened as designed would probably not have a problem. (assuming geometries and hardness are proper)
sal


Hi Richw,

As mentioned reliability is more important that ultimate strength.

There are quite a few common locks missing from this list. I am curious as to where this hierarchy came from?

sal

We have a dedicated machine that breaks things.

It's automated, consistent in pressure and angle, computerized and gives us printed graphs on the break. It's about as scientific as we could create. We get measurement in total force and inch/lbs per inch of blade length when we're breaking locks. Blade lengths are built into the program.

We can break a lock and be accurate as to less than 1 lb. We use the machine to break locks, blades, etc. When we create a new model, we establish what range the lock strength should be and we test and improve the failed parts until we attain the desired strength.

We build for both reliability and ultimate strength.

Reliability is a matter of engineering and materials and attention to detail is very important in lock reliability.

Ultimate lock strength is affected by design and materials and also required attention to details to achieve success. Testing must be consistent, controlling variables if accurate results are expected.

It's just a knife, right? wrong. A modern cutting edge on a modern knife blade has the potential for a serious cut. A hand is a terrible thing to waste.

Naturally we test the competition, as I'm sure they test ours. I would like to say that all of the main players in our industry, especially those that have been around for a while, Do a good job in their locks. Far better than the industry was able to do 20 years ago.

This is one of those areas where "name" means something. These companies did not acquire their good name and good reputation by putting out poor quality or unsafe products.

Knife Locks are a fascinating study. Close tolerance bits of carefully machined and heat treated parts invented and designed to lock a knife blade into an open and safe postion.

All of the lock designs being used are good, if they're made well. All are less than good if made poorly. All have advantages and disadvantages. You are all knife afi's or you wouldn't be reading this. Enjoy them all.

sal
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Postaj by Lawman 06.05.15 10:52



Još jedan video od Cold Steel. Ovog puta je žrtva bio neki skupi Benchmade.
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Naš CS nož, 43% jeftiniji od ovog skupog Bechyija bolje se držao na testiranju, te je to još samo jedan dokaz u cijelom nizu istih, da skuplji nož ne znači nužno i "bolji" nož. O.K., možda je za naslikavanje bolji neki skuplji primjerak gdje je neki nožarski "modni mačak" imao svoje prste u dizajnu, al' za pravu, operativnu svrhu, uvijek odabir pada na Cold Steel.
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Ovo je već šesta pobjeda Cold Steel nad konkurencijom. Znači, 6:0 za CS, ako meni ne vjerujete, vjerujte svojim očima.
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Postaj by Keltan 06.05.15 11:59

Ok , nije realno . . ..ALI nije realan ni test od  godpode iz Cold Steel-a  . .. Ajde sada svima nama pojasni u kojoj situaciji upotrebe noza ce doci do izraz taj neverovatan triad lock za koji se slazem da je izvrsno resenje kocnice ? Znaci ja imam frame lock ostricu ti triadd ...sta mozes ti sa tvojim nozem uraditi a ne mogu ja ?
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Postaj by Lawman 06.05.15 12:07

Hm, pa prije ćeš ti sa svojim frejmekom ostati bez prstiju, nego neki korisnik Tri-AD locka. To je dovoljan i nužan razlog za odabir CS.

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Postaj by roy 06.05.15 12:18

Svaki nož i svaka brava mogu zakazati.
U predzadnjem videu se radi o tome da je čovjek slučajno pritisnuo tj. otkočio kočnicu dok je radio spine wack što je i sam rekao u komentarima i opisu ispod videa. Nije mi namjera braniti Cold Steel, samo primjećujem da se u tom pojedinom videu ipak ne radi o njihovom fail-u...

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Postaj by Keltan 06.05.15 12:23

Lawman je napisao/la:Hm, pa prije ćeš ti sa svojim frejmekom ostati bez prstiju, nego neki korisnik Tri-AD locka. To je dovoljan i nužan razlog za odabir CS.


Kada , u kojoj situaciji upotrebe noza cu ostati bez prstiju ? Mozes mi navesti JEDNU ? Sta bih radio nozem da popusti frame lock kocnica ? Ili treba da stavim prste na noz dok rade onaj test ??
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Postaj by jimkukri 06.05.15 12:31

necu se ni osvrtat na ove amaterske jubito uradke jer i ja mogu izmaltretirat triad prije paljenja kamere pa svima pokazat kak fejla na lagani pritisak ruke(vidim da je roy objasnio kako je triad "fejlao" na trecem videju)

ovi CS testovi su realni sto pokazuje upravo ovaj dvoboj velikana
ja sam se pobojao da ce talwar fejlat prije bedlama u weighthang testu,jer sam ocekivao da je axis jako dobar lock(sto i je)+sto bedlam ima steel linerse u g10 za dodatnu cvrstocu(samim time je i oko 3unca tezi)...medjutoa laksi talwar je pobijedio Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 3323635797

koliko god da sam fasciniran cvrstocom axisa u drzanju kila, toliko sam razocaran kako je fejlo na trecem spinewack testu Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 30210

toliko od mene prije shitstorma i pljuvanja po CS Cold Steel noževi... - Page 20 4031665509


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